Mr. J., you say: "Does Jesus say, 'I am God'?
No." I am glad we agree. "...because that would
have been misunderstood. Jesus is not the Father (as it would
have been thought), Jesus is the Son." What?, are you
claiming that Jesus is incapable when telling his disciples "worship
the Father" to add the words "...and the Son"?
Are you claiming that the people he is talking to are incapable
of comprehending that one is the father and the other is the son?
Would you have us believe that his twelve apostles were so dense
that they could not comprehend the difference between a "father"
and a "son"? Are there no words in his language to say
"I am not God but His son, worship both of
us"? When you claim that Jesus (pbuh) died on the cross,
do you misunderstand this to mean that God the "Father"
is the one who died on the cross? When you claim that Jesus was
"begotten" by God, do you misunderstand this to mean
that Jesus begat the Father? Are Jesus' twelve hand-picked apostles
truly in you estimation so backward and dense? This is not how
Muslims regard them.
With regard to the miracles of Jesus being proof
of his Godhead please read my comments about other prophets and
their miracles (Section 2.2.3).
What you appear to be trying to say is that the fact
that Jesus never told anyone to worship him nor claimed to be
God but left it up to them to surmise by themselves is proof that
he wanted them to worship him? God must command us to worship
him, and Jesus must command us to worship God, but Jesus (pbuh)
receives worship "without censure" without asking
for it? Why then is the same not true for God Himself? Why did
God Himself not simply remain quiet (like Jesus) and expect us
to "gather" and "observe" that He wishes us
to worship Him. Why does God Himself not receive "without
censure" worship until He asks for it? Why?
With regard to the opening verses of John, they have
already been dealt with in detail.
Jesus (pbuh) never in his lifetime told anyone to
worship him. It was others who did that. Quite the contrary, whenever
Jesus (pbuh) spoke of worship, he always attributed it to God
and never himself: "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God,
and him only shalt thou serve" Luke 4:8. Notice
the words: "Him ONLY." Jesus did not say "US
only," or "Him and I only." How could he possibly
make it more clear than that? What abstract meaning are we now
going to concoct for this verse to show that what Jesus "really"
meant was "worship BOTH of us"?
The problem with many apologists is that they "interpret"
the words "he" and "him" to mean "we"
and "us" when it suits them, and to mean "he"
and "him" only when it suits them. In cases such as
Luke 4:8, they claim that "him" really means
"us." But in cases where God "begets" Jesus,
or where God "sacrifices" Jesus, "him" and
"he" is God alone and does not mean "us"
and "we." Notice the trend ?
But there is more:
Strangely enough, even though Jesus is regarded as
the "incarnation" of God, and wholly
equal to God in every respect, and all three are "one"
God, still, no one has ever gone on and attempted to explain if
this is so why Jesus would then need to pray, let alone to his
own self:
etc.
If Jesus (pbuh) "is" God, and if both are
different names for one "triune" God, and if all three
"persons" are "co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial,"
then is Jesus praying to himself? Is he praying to another side
of his own personality? Is he praying to his own essence? Why?
Why does the "incarnation" of God
need to pray, beseech, sweat, and plead with his own essence?
If I have both a father and a number of sons, then can my "fatherly"
nature plead with my "sonly" nature to save it from
danger? Why? For what purpose?
"Many will say to me (Jesus) in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Matthew 7:22