From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Mon Jul 17 08:53 EDT 1995 Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by mailhub (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA00539; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:53:43 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5014; Mon, 17 Jul 95 08:53:31 EDT Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2931; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:53:31 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 8032 for POETICS@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:53:28 -0400 Received: from UBVM (NJE origin SMTP@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2898; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:53:05 -0400 Received: from mail.eskimo.com by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 17 Jul 95 08:53:04 EDT Received: from [192.0.2.1] (herb@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA06280 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 05:53:05 -0700 X-Sender: herb@mail.eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 05:57:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: manipulators To: Multiple recipients of list POETICS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1995 Status: RO >On behalf of a fellow Nagoyan, Bruce Malcolm, I'd >like to ask does anyone know of text manipulation >software, randomizers, whatever, that may be commercially >available (or not, as the case may be). > >Scuze the vagueness of the request, but if you >know of anything that may be interesting, please >let us know. > There's a very simple randomizing hypercard stack (therefore Macintosh only) called Dada Poet. This has very few user definable parameters, and it is quite random, not useful if you're interested in maintaining a semblance of grammar or syntax, but it is capable of some interesting bucket-brigade effects, in addition to general randomizing. Travesty is available for IBM-compatibles. I haven't used this but based on the book Sentences, recently published by Sun & Moon (don't forget to look for those blue M&Ms!), it seems to do some interesting things. If Bruce Malcolm is interested in doing some syntactic programming-level work, there's a very powerful, and funny, program called Kant Generator Pro that is set up to write large chunks of Kantian prose. The program also has modules for Husserlian prose, excuses, thank-you notes and several mathematical modules useful for programming in Pascal. It's possible to modify any of these modules to do other kinds of random generation within a generalized syntactic structure from list of vocabulary and/or phrases, but, as I said above, this takes some work. Kant Generator Pro is a GNU program, I have it for Mac, but I think it's available for other computer platforms, too. These are also several different anagram programs around, but that may be more text manipulation than you're looking for. I don't have addresses for these programs readily at hand, but all of them should be available on the Internet with archy, gopher, or some other search program. I've heard of several other programs that I haven't seen in action. I'd be interested in any other such programs people know of. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Mon Jul 17 02:25 EDT 1995 Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by mailhub (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id CAA12490; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 02:25:27 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2851; Mon, 17 Jul 95 02:25:15 EDT Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6113; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 02:25:14 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 9088 for POETICS@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 02:25:10 -0400 Received: from UBVM (NJE origin SMTP@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6036; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 02:23:08 -0400 Received: from agudpc.dpc.aichi-gakuin.ac.jp by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 17 Jul 95 02:23:06 EDT Received: by agudpc.dpc.aichi-gakuin.ac.jp (1.36.108.4/AGUNET-2.8Wb) id AA27637; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:23:36 +0900 Message-ID: <9507170623.AA27637@agudpc.dpc.aichi-gakuin.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:23:36 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Geraets Subject: manipulators To: Multiple recipients of list POETICS Content-Type: text Content-Length: 355 Status: RO On behalf of a fellow Nagoyan, Bruce Malcolm, I'd like to ask does anyone know of text manipulation software, randomizers, whatever, that may be commercially available (or not, as the case may be). Scuze the vagueness of the request, but if you know of anything that may be interesting, please let us know. pp Bruce Malcolm frank@dpc.aichi-gakuin.ac.jp From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Mon Jul 17 23:11 EDT 1995 Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by mailhub (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA14974; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:11:20 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7270; Mon, 17 Jul 95 23:11:06 EDT Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3419; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:11:06 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 8161 for POETICS@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:11:03 -0400 Received: from UBVM (NJE origin SMTP@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2447; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:59:37 -0400 Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 17 Jul 95 22:59:35 EDT Received: (au462@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id WAA08715; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:59:42 -0400 (from au462) Message-ID: <199507180259.WAA08715@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:59:42 -0400 Reply-To: Robert Drake Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Drake Subject: Re: manipulators To: Multiple recipients of list POETICS Content-Type: text Content-Length: 535 Status: RO >On behalf of a fellow Nagoyan, Bruce Malcolm, I'd >like to ask does anyone know of text manipulation >software, randomizers, whatever, that may be commercially >available (or not, as the case may be). > >Scuze the vagueness of the request, but if you >know of anything that may be interesting, please >let us know. > also for Mac, a program called "TextMangle" (an implementation of Travesty? i think), and one called "Deconstructor". if you can't find these on the net, contact me backchannel... luigi au462@cleveland.freenet.edu From <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Tue Jul 18 10:21 EDT 1995 Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-poetics@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu [128.205.2.1]) by mailhub (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA11401; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:21:38 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2880; Tue, 18 Jul 95 10:21:27 EDT Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6125; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:21:27 -0400 Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 2913 for POETICS@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:21:22 -0400 Received: from UBVM (NJE origin SMTP@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5924; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:20:47 -0400 Received: from mail.eskimo.com by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 18 Jul 95 10:20:40 EDT Received: from [192.0.2.1] (herb@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA25580 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 07:19:47 -0700 X-Sender: herb@mail.eskimo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 07:23:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: manipulators To: Multiple recipients of list POETICS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 879 Status: RO luigi bob drake, thanks a lot for mentioning TextMangler and Deconstructor. While looking for these programs this morning, I found what should be a useful website for John Geraets, Bruce Malcolm, and anyone else interested in algorithmically distorting previously written text. The page is called & the URL is . From this page you can download most of the programs previously mentioned and many others for Macintosh, IBM, and Unix machines. There are also links to related sites, some of which generate text while you wait. For example, if there are any graduate students who haven't chosen a dissertation topic on the list, there's a link to a site that generates postmodern thesis abstracts. I downloaded a few programs, but won't have a chance to try them out for a day or two. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com